Chris Boise: 0:06

We are good to start your show, ma'am, we are, we are.

Susan Hickman: 0:09

Okay, so welcome to Hooked stories and songs from Texas and beyond. My name is Susan Hickman. This is my guest of the week for the first episode ever of Hooked Chris Boyes, ladies and gentlemen, hello, hello, ever have hooked Chris Boyes, ladies and gentlemen.

Chris Boise: 0:24

Hello, I am. When I was approached I was so excited because number one, it's Susan freaking Hickman right.

Susan Hickman: 0:31

You make me sound like I was like hiding behind a tree, going like, hey, chris, come here.

Chris Boise: 0:38

Like I bagged him and like took him off and was like hey, you got to do this. You know where my address? I mean, you know where I live Anyway, no man. So she kind of threw it at me and I was like, absolutely 100% times. Yes, I am thankful to be here, I'm humbled to be here and I appreciate the vote of confidence to come on and be your first guest on what I think is going to be a very successful journey for you.

Susan Hickman: 0:55

I hope so. So I've wanted to do a show very much like this. We don't know what this is going to turn into, but I've wanted to do this for like 15 years.

Chris Boise: 1:06

You're doing it, we're here, we made it.

Susan Hickman: 1:09

I feel like this is the maiden voyage and a lot of mistakes are going to happen, a lot of like feet in our mouth and all the things, but I'm glad that all of y'all are here.

Chris Boise: 1:21

Yes, thank you.

Susan Hickman: 1:21

And we're excited so y'all are here. Yes, thank you, and we're excited so y'all give it up for my very first guest, chris Boyes. So originally so. I know you from Katy Texas, but is that where you grew up or is that where you're from?

Chris Boise: 1:35

That is a very long, convoluted story, convoluted. So I was yes, good word, sat word. I was born here in Houston and then, when I was 10 years old, my parents which are right here they ended up my dad ended up getting transferred to Atlanta, georgia. So when I was 10, we moved to Georgia and while I was there, became a drummer first, got a drum set when I was probably 10 or 11. And that's where I started. And, of course, my dad.

Chris Boise: 2:02

I can't talk about my journey without talking about my dad's, because he was a very well-known singer here in Houston. He was a part of a duo called Boyce and Kramer. If you had ever been around this area, blyce is how he spelled his last name on stage. He did a lot of really cool things and kind of laid a path. The accomplishments they're never ending. But I mean he played bass guitar for Liza Minnelli, was on the Ed Sullivan Show, was on the same record label as Jimi Hendrix, I mean just the list goes on and on, and so when I was a kid, you know, kind of coming into being in a musical family, I think they had an idea that I would probably get into music and honestly I think at one point or another he said that he didn't want me to get into music because he understood what this life could look like.

Chris Boise: 2:50

And so when my journey started with drums, I was ADHD as a child and still am, probably and so you know, drums was kind of a way for me to kind of reign in the ADHD-ness and did that for a long time and then kind of realized as I got a little bit older that I could sing a little bit and there was I don't know if I'd call it talent, but whatever that was Got to do that started playing guitar because my dad and my best friend did and I couldn't and it pissed me off. So I learned and then it just kind of all snowballed into this whole thing where I wrote songs and then I recorded records and then I got to do really cool stuff. But it all started kind of with my family and just that lineage of coming from that and having that in the blood and then obviously God seeing it fit to give me the ability to go do it. But I'm here now. I moved back in 2010.

Chris Boise: 3:40

Just moved to the Lamarck area, texas City area, literally in January Neighbor yeah, we're neighbors now, and so this is kind of a new voyage for me too.

Susan Hickman: 3:49

That's so exciting. So I remember when I first met you, I met you and Katie, and I think I met you because we needed a drummer.

Chris Boise: 3:57

You did.

Susan Hickman: 3:59

And I think it was like a Girls with Guitars thing.

Chris Boise: 4:02

I think it was Mandy Powell.

Susan Hickman: 4:03

And Presley Lewis and.

Chris Boise: 4:04

Presley, lewis and you, and I don't know if Heather was a part of that she wasn't, but Mandy was the one who reached out to me. I guess she knew me because she had seen me. So Mandy was the one who reached out and I don't remember what we played.

Susan Hickman: 4:15

Mandy Powell. She's another awesome singer-songwriter.

Chris Boise: 4:18

Singer-songwriter yeah, Look, yeah. So I think that's where I met all of you guys. Was that playing drums for you guys?

Susan Hickman: 4:24

Yeah, and it was very cool. So he called us all over to his house. We're like what is this going to be? Like Dude I've never met, but he was there, his wife was there and it was so cool and it's cool that that was probably what.

Chris Boise: 4:39

15 years ago. Yeah, probably.

Susan Hickman: 4:44

Yeah, and we've done all kinds of shows since then, like really, really fun stuff.

Chris Boise: 4:51

Yeah, I mean, if you look at where our music scene kind of was then to where it is now, you kind of grow up with everybody right, it's almost like there's a maturation there and you see everybody kind of grow up and mature in their songwriting and their entertainment ability and the opportunities that come to them, and so I mean you have had some amazing opportunities lately. I have to say congratulations on your voice, on being on the Voice.

Susan Hickman: 5:19

Thank you.

Chris Boise: 5:19

So that was very cool. And then all of the success that you've had here in Houston, guy. I mean you're incredible. Like I said, I'm just I'm blessed to be here and I'm just I'm thankful to share the stage with somebody who's just extremely talented.

Susan Hickman: 5:33

Well, thank you, I guess I picked the right. I picked the right first guest.

Chris Boise: 5:36

I'm not being paid to be here, by the way. I'm not being paid to be here, I'm getting free drinks. That's it, oh my gosh.

Susan Hickman: 5:42

No, seriously, it's cool and it's cool to see your friends progress in the industry too, right, it's amazing to see where you start off and you meet each other and you swap stories and you swap songs and you're like, hey, what do you do about this or what do you do about that? And it's like we've had a lot of of talks, as we all have, and that's kind of the reason why I wanted to start cultivating this, I don't know. Start the conversation and get y'all like involved, and we do have a. We have a live studio audience today here at Cocos on the Canal. Y'all, make some noise for yourselves.

Chris Boise: 6:21

Yeah.

Susan Hickman: 6:21

You, beautiful people, you.

Chris Boise: 6:23

So I have a question for you. Yeah, okay, and this is. I think this is a great way to get into question and answers and obviously, please, if you've got questions, you can shout them out. But I think my question to you is what was the defining moment in your music journey where you said I'm hooked? This is it I'm hooked.

Susan Hickman: 6:44

Look at you See what I did there. Look at you See what I did there they call that a segue.

Susan Hickman: 6:48

It is a segue. So, oh man, I have a couple of instances throughout my life, my young life, where I was like I have to do this. So the first one where I was like this is a defining moment in my life. I saw leanne rhymes on like an award show. It was like one of the like this acmas or like cmt awards or something grammys I don't think it was the grammys, um, but she's saying unchained melody and I think I was like 11 or 12 years old and that night night I told my parents I was like this is what I have to do for the rest of my life. And they're like oh, okay, because they were not musical, like at least like your parents they were able to like kind of. I don't know. You could ask questions maybe.

Chris Boise: 7:37

I don't know, like I don't know how that works.

Susan Hickman: 7:39

I've asked questions for sure, but my parents had absolutely no idea whatsoever. So my mom, her response was well, show me that you're serious. And it was literally the first time that I'd ever been fully like 100% serious in my whole life about pursuing an actual career. And so for me to tell my parents that I was serious, it was me getting in the phone book. When Y'all remember phone books, yeah.

Chris Boise: 8:08

That thick.

Susan Hickman: 8:09

Yeah, I'm going to be 40 this year, so I feel like I can talk about phone books Anyway. But yeah, I was like I got in the phone book. I made a ton of appointments with some dead-end music talent agency people, which I'm not going to name any of them right now oh yeah but, um, yeah, it started with that.

Susan Hickman: 8:31

And then I brought the list to my mom the next morning and I was like this is what we're gonna do. And she's like, wow, okay, and that's that's kind of where it began. I mean, it began with me, like you know, I played piano at five and violin and blah, blah, blah, you know. But that's where it was like the aha moment, like she's 12. Leanne Rimes is 12 years old and I was. No, she was, I was 12. She was 14. So she's like just a little bit older than me.

Chris Boise: 8:59

I didn't realize she was that young when she did it.

Susan Hickman: 9:01

Yeah, 14 years old, and it was like that aha moment where I was like that could be me, right there.

Chris Boise: 9:12

Just make it happen. I think mine. So there was a defining moment in my life where my parents had a very serious conversation with me. I had decided that I was going to play drums, but I was also going to do the singer-songwriter thing play cover music, just play cover songs. And I was playing at.

Chris Boise: 9:29

I might have been 19 years old and I was playing at this local watering hole in Noonan, georgia, called the Twilight, and so the Twilight was literally the square footage is maybe the size of your kitchen, like a thousand square footage is maybe the size of your kitchen. Ah, like 1,000 square feet. Maybe it was tiny, but it used to be an old driving range that they converted into a bar and then like a live music venue, and anybody who was anybody was playing at the Twilight. And so my folks were friends with the owners and they said, hey, chris is starting to kind of wanting to get out there and play some music and play some songs for people. Would it be okay if he comes in on like a thursday and just just play? So they bought me a pa.

Chris Boise: 10:12

I had an old custom pa like the. You know, you remember those? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Had that sounded like sounded like absolute dog boo-boo, uh. But so I go in there and and I started to kind of play and of course everybody was really nice and they were throwing tips in the jar to be nice. I was terrible, like I was really, really bad.

Susan Hickman: 10:28

That's what I feel about myself.

Chris Boise: 10:30

Like I was really really bad, Don't listen to me, no, no.

Chris Boise: 10:32

It was really, really bad. So I did this for a couple of weeks and it kind of became a normal thing for me. But my parents stopped going. They stopped coming to see me, and so I was, I think. I asked them. I was like, why are you guys not coming? And my mom was very frank she goes. You suck, you're terrible to watch. I was like you know, I'm 19 years old, thinking I'm like the shit and I'm not. And so she, we have this conversation and she's like I had this big like gray binder that had all my songs in. And she's like I had this big like gray binder that had all my songs in. And she was like you gotta lose the binder. Okay, I'll learn the words, yeah. And then you know, like you had to get better with an audience, right, so you had to learn how to talk to an audience and it was like it was like that perennial moment where I was just like, oh crap, I have to actually worked at this. This sucks.

Susan Hickman: 11:23

I have a question about that. Okay, so were you. You said you have to talk to an audience. Were you just like terrible at talking to?

Chris Boise: 11:30

the audience. Oh god, like, like. Just this is me like no eye contact.

Susan Hickman: 11:36

I was never never.

Chris Boise: 11:39

I mean, the thought of looking an audience in the eye like at 19 years old is terrifying, and the thing is that for those of you who've never done this right, so for those of you who've never been in our shoes and never had the honor of getting on stage and entertaining people, there is nothing more scary than standing up there by yourself with a guitar and trying to entertain people that don't know you okay.

Susan Hickman: 12:03

And keep in mind playing songs. That's the easy part.

Chris Boise: 12:08

Playing the songs is the easy part.

Susan Hickman: 12:09

We're actually pretty okay at that.

Chris Boise: 12:11

I'm not. Well, you are, I'm not.

Susan Hickman: 12:13

No, you are good, you're very good.

Chris Boise: 12:15

But honestly, the thing is that it's so gratifying when you guys being here and being a part of this is super gratifying for her because this is her show, but it's gratifying for me because you don't know me from Adam right, You're listening to me tell stories about, like an obscure childhood that you don't know anything about. So the fact that I get to talk to you as though I've known you for 20 years, it's really cool. And this 20 years ago I was not doing this. There was no way I was going to sit up here in front of you guys and have a candid conversation about my life and where my shortfalls were and my shortcomings, and talked about where I needed to progress and get better. I was never having that conversation.

Chris Boise: 12:54

So what I can say is that through that hard conversation with my parents, I learned a very valuable lesson, and it really was. That moment was like okay, I'm going to take this seriously, I'm going to get better at this and I want it like, from that point on, when I walked into a room and I was going to be singing in a room full of singers, I wanted to be better than everybody. I wanted to walk in with the mentality is that they're going to remember my name when I'm done?

Chris Boise: 13:16

Right, yes, yes, yes Thank you for listening to my diatribe. This is my TED talk. You're free to go.

Susan Hickman: 13:22

No, but I really resonate with that because but I also so like growing up through the industry and still it's still something that I think about every day. It's like I don't want to be the one yes, I do want to be the one in the room that knows the most. Sure, that's what we all aspire to, but, like I want to learn from everybody Now.

Chris Boise: 13:42

I do. Now I'm of the mindset that now I want to learn from everybody. Now I do. Now. I'm of the mindset that now I want to learn In my 20s. I didn't care, I just wanted to be the best in the room, right? I walked in thinking I'm going to kick your ass, You're going to know my name by the time I'm done. And then when I got to my 30s, I was like, okay, there are people that are really better than me. I have to learn from these people, right?

Susan Hickman: 14:01

I think I really recognize that in my 30s too, because how old are you? We can talk about it. I told you how old I was.

Chris Boise: 14:07

I am almost 40.

Susan Hickman: 14:09

So am I Wait. When's your birthday? Are we both July?

Chris Boise: 14:12

No, my birthday was St Patrick's Day. I turned 39 on St Patrick's Day. But here's the thing about turning 39. Thank you. Here's the thing about turning 39. You are no longer in your 30s, no, you're just almost 40. Yeah, that's it.

Susan Hickman: 14:24

I've been saying I'll be 40 next year or my next birthday, and all the things for like a year, because I'm preparing myself for the fact that.

Chris Boise: 14:32

I'm going to be able. I'm almost 40.

Susan Hickman: 14:33

Yeah, I'm going to have to tell people eventually.

Chris Boise: 14:36

Staring it in the face.

Susan Hickman: 14:37

I'm 40 years old Because when I turned 30, the whole year before 29 and all the things I had a problem with turning 30.

Speaker 3: 14:49

I cried.

Chris Boise: 14:49

Oh sweet, I cried.

Susan Hickman: 14:51

Yeah, I cried. I was like I have to accomplish all. I had a laundry list and keep in mind being in the music industry. It's tough enough as it is. Yeah, and I'm not going gonna give you the sob story exactly what you're gonna say but being a girl in this industry, it they have taught us that we have an expiration date and we absolutely do not. I don't believe that anymore at all, whether it's the music industry or anything. I mean heck, you could be a freaking supermodel at 75 years old, bet Go women.

Susan Hickman: 15:27

Come on, go, no. So I say that to be like I'm really excited to turn 40. Because I'm really proud of the accomplishments that I've made and I've got still a ton of stuff to do. But at least I don't feel like I have this date that I have to accomplish everything by, because I don't remember. I don't remember where this epiphany started, but I had. I had this like idea manifest in my head one day. I was like here's the thing Expectations ruin everything, right, like you. You you think, oh, my life is supposed to go like this. It doesn't turn out quite like this. Oh, I'm disappointed, bam, you're sad, you're depressed, you're whatever. If you put it more in a perspective like I want to reach these certain things and I'm going to do these certain things, and I don't even want to call them goals, because sometimes, when you set goals that are so unrealistic and you don't reach them in the point of you know, or the amount of time that you set for yourself, you come up like such a lie down.

Susan Hickman: 16:36

Yeah yeah, you feel like a failure. So I feel like do the little things and just keep moving forward and be really, really, really celebratory about the accomplishments that you do make along the way, even the little tiny ones, because those are the ones that are going to get you to the bigger picture.

Chris Boise: 16:54

Couldn't agree more.

Susan Hickman: 16:56

Yeah.

Chris Boise: 16:56

Does anybody have any questions for Susan or myself just out there? I mean, since we're here, we're kind of having a roundtable discussion.

Susan Hickman: 17:03

And if you don't want to shout them out, I've got some index cards if you want to pass those out.

Chris Boise: 17:07

She literally thought of everything.

Susan Hickman: 17:08

I mean not everything, but I've thought of some things. But if you want to pass them out, write your name and your phone number and your email address so we can stalk you later. Make sure that you come to every taping here at Coco's on the Canal. I do want to throw that out there as well. We're going to be here every Tuesday at 7 pm.

Susan Hickman: 17:30

I know we started a little bit late today, but that's okay, because this is the maiden voyage, but we want to see all of you guys and we want to grow this thing and my hope and my dream and my I'm not going to call it a goal. I'm not going to call it a goal. My want and my heart's desire for this show is to cultivate the relationships that I've built along the way. I've been doing this almost 26 years, which is really scary, but again, it's an accomplishment and I want to showcase. We don't have anything like this down here, nothing. We don't have songwriter nights, we don't have writing rooms, we don't have this kind of interaction. So the fact that y'all all are here, thank you and we love Coco's on the Canal for believing in this.

Chris Boise: 18:18

Yes, thank you to them for sure. Please get yourself a drink. Take care of your bar staff.

Susan Hickman: 18:21

And they're amazing. No-transcript.

Chris Boise: 18:37

How do you project it? You're talking about writing it.

Susan Hickman: 18:40

Yeah, when you get an idea for a song. So when we get an idea for a song, how?

Chris Boise: 18:44

do we project it?

Susan Hickman: 18:45

How do we project it? How does it?

Chris Boise: 18:47

become a song. You want to take this.

Susan Hickman: 18:52

I think you should take this one. You're the guest, repeat the question real.

Chris Boise: 18:59

So repeat the question. So the question the question is is that when, when we, when we get inspired for a song, right? So when we sit down and say I'm going to write this song, how do we pretty much, what is the mindset of creating that song and then putting music to it or whatever that looks like? So for me personally, I haven't written anything in a while, and the reason for that is is that my life has kind of just been this just nonstop. I kind of got picked up in a tribute world and I have two little girls and I've got a wife and I need to be a dad and the whole thing.

Chris Boise: 19:28

But when I was writing songs especially younger, because I was a musician first I would always write the music first. There was something like, if I knew that I wanted to saw like a lot of my old songs are about past relationships, and even one of my favorite songs I'll talk about Dreams, one of my favorite songs, and I'll play it here in a minute. I wrote this song because I was dating a girl who lived here I lived in Georgia, okay and so I thought I knew that I wanted it to be emotional in the way that it came across musically. So for those of you that are in the music biz, anything in a minor key is emotional. It usually is. It usually carries a lot of weight. You know, in me being a drummer, first I always thought about what I wanted the drums to do. As I was writing a guitar riff and, as you'll see, when I play the song, it's a very rhythmic song. The way that I play it is very rhythmic, because that was the first thing I thought of. So I knew that I wanted this song to kind of have that emotional driving feel to it.

Chris Boise: 20:28

And then, when it came to the lyrics, like any songwriter, you try to be as relatable as possible about what you're writing about, right? So for me, this song was about a girl that I was dating here. I was in Georgia, and the one thing that was common about being in that relationship was that we didn't necessarily have FaceTime at that point. You had Skype, but it was kind of weird and like you know. So the one thing you do have is your dreams, right? And so I wrote.

Chris Boise: 20:56

The reason I wrote the song was because I felt that was very relatable for people who are in long-distance relationships where you can see that person in your dreams. That's the closest you're going to be to them without actually being there with them. And so the way that I kind of wrote the verses and the choruses is what you know it's you basically just kind of build the relationship up as it was at least in my mind how it looked, how it felt to be away from that person, and then in the chorus you're basically saying I see you in my dreams, this is where I'm at, and then at the end of the song, of course, there's a happy ending where you're now together and you no longer have to dream. So the maturation of that song for me was really it started with music drums, basically because that was what I gravitated towards when I was younger, and then I realized that I wanted it to be emotional. I knew that I wanted it to have a very driving center, and then I realized that I wanted it to have a little bit of a rock element, because that's also something that I liked at the time.

Chris Boise: 21:59

The lyrics were totally secondary. I didn't have them written. I literally wrote the song as music and then wrote the lyrics secondary, because I wanted to fit the pieces how they were. Do you think that's normal it?

Susan Hickman: 22:10

is not. It's not normal, no.

Chris Boise: 22:13

I am so different from probably anybody you'll ever see on this show Like literally. I'm so different from probably anybody you'll ever see on this show like literally, I'm so different.

Chris Boise: 22:27

Most people do lyrics first and then, especially if you're writing with somebody or you're you're, you know you're you're, thank you, I I look, words are hard sometimes. Um, when, when you're collaborating with someone else, a lot of times they'll they'll have a particular guitar, like guitar part that they've been playing with. They're like oh that, oh, that's going to sound good here. For me, it was completely different. I wrote this song and it was music first and then lyrics, and I just made it fit. So it was cool. If you don't mind, can I play it for you? Do you guys care?

Susan Hickman: 22:50

Yes, I was literally just about to say he does have his guitar and it's going to sound amazing, and this is actually one of the ones that I noted. I even made notes, y'all, and I haven't even looked at them this whole time, but this is one of the ones that I wanted to know the story behind. So that's really cool. It's like he reads minds or something. I love that.

Chris Boise: 23:10

All right, I am going to try not to spill my drink because that would be bad. All right, this song's called Dreams, dreams.

Speaker 3: 23:44

It's coming of the season, he can feel the cold air. She is the reason that's why he's still here. Oh, you know that he's in trouble when she's not around. Oh, you know he sees her double when he dreams about the love they made on a cold winter night, the feelings I shared With her until tonight. What's she gonna dream about tonight? She puts on her makeup. There's no one around. She can't ever wonder what he's doing now. Oh, you know she wants to be near him. She can't quite reach. Oh, you know she wants to feel him. So instead she dreams she stays in his kiss On a little more than sunrise. She's safe, saving his arms. Yes, she's on tight. What's she gonna dream about tonight? This isn't a dream, but a dream come true. You've made this a reality. Now I have you, a tasty kiss. Now I have you. I'm tasting your kiss On the dawn and sunrise. You're saving my arms. Yeah, it feels so right. We don't have to dream tonight. Oh no, oh no. Thank you very much. One of my own cold dreams.

Susan Hickman: 26:52

I love that so much. So when did you write that? What year was that?

Chris Boise: 26:58

See, now we're getting into nitty-gritty. I wrote that in. I moved back in 2010, so I wrote it in probably 2007 or 8. It was literally the title track off my very first record, which is available on iTunes and Amazon and Spotify and all your online retailers.

Susan Hickman: 27:18

And I'm going to get all of that stuff from you. We're going to cite all of that and so like you're going to have access to all of that, so you can.

Chris Boise: 27:24

So yeah, to probably 2007, 2008,. I was literally. She was living here and just kind of at a weird place because I was traveling back and forth. I was funny enough, I was actually a radio DJ. That's when I was a DJ, and so I was actually a radio DJ. That's when I was a DJ and so I was working for a radio station.

Susan Hickman: 27:38

I was doing radio there, and then that was like funding my trips to Houston, I hear that, yeah, so, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, so when did you actually start writing? Like, when did you write your first song?

Chris Boise: 27:52

Ooh, probably 2005. I was probably 18. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I say that. So I was a part of the songwriting process on a couple different things that weren't necessarily mine, and that was just through high school, because I was like in a high school Christian band and we had a couple songs that we actually cut. But I was in the writing process on that. But my very first song was probably written in 2000,. Yeah, probably 2005.

Susan Hickman: 28:24

It's weird to talk about that, right, like when you started, versus like you know how the progression, like I started writing stories, like little books. I made them myself, Like it's really interesting and I wanted to write books first and then I would write these stories and you know I would sing songs and write songs, but I just didn't think that that was a thing and it was just unattainable. Right, like you know, we talked about the Leanne Rimes moment for me, like when you actually thought it was like that was it, like what was like? What was that for you? Like who was that? Or what was it? Or like did you have an epiphany?

Chris Boise: 29:07

or like um, honestly, I think, because of the household that I grew up in, I didn't have an idol other than my dad. I mean that truthfully. It's very cool living in a household with somebody like that, because I think the easy answer would have been George Strait or Garth Brooks. Of course I love those artists and love songs from those artists, but just knowing what my dad did was kind of like the. I wanted to be just like him when I was a kid, when I was eight and nine, that's what I wanted to be. It never really went into a particular artist that was an icon for me. It was never that. I had just, you know, I had my dad and he was doing it and I would see pictures and it was like, you know, I knew that he was a big deal and that was what was. That was in my life. I didn't care about the big stars. That was my big star.

Susan Hickman: 30:13

I think that's so cool, because so many kids and young people they want to do something that's so polar opposite than what their parents do, you know, because they just want to, you know.

Chris Boise: 30:24

Don't get me wrong. My parents wanted to kick my ass on multiple occasions Like let's not get it twisted, Mine too, my poor parents, oh, my gosh. Still do, I'm sure.

Susan Hickman: 30:31

Like my mom was musical but like she never really like pursued, like she never really pursued a singing career or really active on an instrument. My dad will say that he's tone deaf. He's not tone deaf. He knows what good music sounds like and he knows he's the biggest music fan and he's my biggest fan, which I love. But it was so foreign to them they had absolutely no idea. I said it before, but I think it's just really cool that you're able to have that and at least have some of that guidance you know.

Chris Boise: 31:04

Yeah, and I think the guidance part is there was a lot of tough love there.

Susan Hickman: 31:11

Oh, mine too, Don't get me wrong, mine too, my mom.

Chris Boise: 31:16

You should hear the story about when I decided to move to Houston. That was rough, you know. So being a drummer, first stuff was booked for me. You know, like people told me where to be, like, where to go, and of course my parents were at almost all of my shows, and so you know, being a drummer it's a little bit different than being a lead singer, because you know, if you assimilate into a band you're kind of told where to go, where to be, what you're getting paid, and then you jump into this world, what we do, and a lot of times we're in charge of our own booking, right.

Susan Hickman: 31:48

For sure.

Chris Boise: 31:49

And so that's the part that I was lucky because I had those conversations. Like you know, my dad would tell me how the horror story is about booking, and so going in and doing the original thing and getting better at it and more mature at it was okay. Now I have to deal with the booking side of it. As somebody who's coming up in our industry and who doesn't really have that lineage or that soundboard or support system, that hits you like a sack of bricks. It's a different world in what we do trying to get places. You go in, you walk into a place. You a different world in what we do trying to get places Like you go in, you walk into a place. You're like, hey, I've got this really great band and these places are like, yeah, so does the guy down the street.

Susan Hickman: 32:24

And 4,000 other people.

Chris Boise: 32:26

Yeah, and that's the thing and that's kind of that's shell shocking when you don't have that advice going in.

Susan Hickman: 32:32

So when did you like? Okay, I want to know, when did you walk in to your first venue and just say give me a job. Like, not an email, not a text, not a MySpace message, because I know that you're old enough to know what that is.

Chris Boise: 32:50

Tom was my friend.

Susan Hickman: 32:51

Tom was my friend.

Chris Boise: 32:53

Tom was my friend.

Susan Hickman: 32:57

I remember mine. That's the reason like it sticks out real.

Chris Boise: 33:00

My parents will remember.

Susan Hickman: 33:05

I don't necessarily remember.

Chris Boise: 33:06

Well, let's ask them. They are here. So what was that for me? Oh, I remember Evans, well, and ask for a job, okay. So I think yeah, so I did walk into Evans Music City and ask for a job, but I think she's talking about the first time you ever walked in with a guitar and said, hey, let me see, yeah, let me Probably the twilight. But then again, I moved here in 2010 and didn't know anybody and just kind of had to make it work and thankfully I had met a friend of mine named Ronnie, who was pretty well connected in the bar scene and so he would go to a pool night every wednesday night at a place off of highway six and he's like, hey, they're gonna start doing live music, they'll pay us 150 dollars total and buy our beer. And I was like, yeah, all right, I can eat this week this is great and back then that was making it yeah, man, 75, like 75 dollars.

Chris Boise: 33:54

I you know what jack in the box tacos were a major food group in my life when I was in my 20s. Well, funny enough, they still are.

Susan Hickman: 34:02

I mean, it is what it is, but that was probably it.

Chris Boise: 34:05

I mean making $150 between the two of us and then sometimes you walk away with $20 in tips. Sometimes it was another $150.

Susan Hickman: 34:12

I know it's crazy to think about that. I remember mine. I was 16 years old and I'd been playing for and I say playing, I count how long I've been in the music business as how long I've been making money. My first gig was I made $14.

Chris Boise: 34:35

$14 whole American dollars $14. Wow.

Susan Hickman: 34:38

Thank you very much. I didn't even pay taxes on it.

Susan Hickman: 34:45

The IRS is probably watching I mean it's going to be worldwide no tax on tips, but yeah, now, now, Thank you. Thank you, Donald Trump. No, but I remember the first time that I ever walked in physically myself and it wasn't my mom doing my bookings, which she did God love her. She was amazing. When I told her that this is what I wanted to do, she was like we're going to go to the library and we're going to read every book that we can find on the music business, Did you really?

Chris Boise: 35:14

Yeah, you went to the library yeah, see, I couldn't read. Yeah, you went to the library yeah, see, I couldn't read.

Susan Hickman: 35:19

That was my problem. We went to the library and legit, like she's like, if I'm reading this stuff, you're reading this stuff. So I put my nancy dre books away for real and I like I read contracts and so much of that stuff doesn't even apply anymore.

Susan Hickman: 35:34

But the fact that she taught me the discipline to learn and how to do it as a business, and thank you, mom, thank you that's huge yes, but um, the first time that I ever walked into a venue it was Moe's place, because I know from all the people that Moe's place was the to play and, by the way, I'm going to be playing there next week.

Speaker 3: 36:00

Atta girl On a weekend yeah Good for you.

Susan Hickman: 36:04

I play there every couple months or so.

Chris Boise: 36:06

They won't book me anymore.

Susan Hickman: 36:07

Oh well, we won't talk about that, Because Mo is going to listen to this.

Speaker 3: 36:12

Okay, atta girl.

Susan Hickman: 36:14

Yeah, but I walked in and I saw Mo and I was like hi, mr Mo, I'm 16-year-old, susan Hickman, and I have a music career, and here's my CD.

Chris Boise: 36:25

I'm a total badass.

Susan Hickman: 36:27

I made my own press kits. I made my own folders with my face on them. It was embarrassing. It was so bad.

Chris Boise: 36:34

Can I please have? Do you have any of those folders left?

Susan Hickman: 36:37

I do, do you really?

Chris Boise: 36:38

I want one. Do you have any of those folders left? I do actually.

Susan Hickman: 36:38

Do you really? I want one please. I'm moving right now. I have a box of them that like haven't seen the light of day in like 20, 25 years.

Chris Boise: 36:45

You know what? I'm gonna use your folder as my press kit. I'm gonna walk in and be like this is Susan Hickman's face, but bam, it has my space on it. Oh heck, yeah, it legit, does that's good, yeah.

Susan Hickman: 36:57

But I walked up to him and I was like I want a gig and bless this man's heart. I have a lot of respect for the man, I really do, because he told me he took the folder and he legit opened it. He read some. He looked at everything that I had. I had lots of things in there. Some he looked at all everything that I had. I had lots of things in there. And he and he looked at me and he gave he kind of gave me a little side hug and he goes. Thank you, miss Hickman, for giving me this. I'm gonna keep this and I'm going to say not right now. And so from that point on it's like I don't know. As I tell these stories they become like these epiphanies.

Chris Boise: 37:40

Yeah, it's like a bigger thing.

Susan Hickman: 37:42

I took no as not right now, and that has carried me through where I'm sitting today. If somebody tells me no, it's like but does it really mean no, it just means it's not the right time or it's not the right.

Chris Boise: 37:56

If you've ever been in any salesman class, that is exactly what they teach.

Susan Hickman: 38:01

Really.

Chris Boise: 38:02

Yes, that is literally the number one rule in sales is no means not right now.

Susan Hickman: 38:07

Okay, well.

Chris Boise: 38:09

So that was a killer lesson to learn at 16 years old.

Susan Hickman: 38:11

So you're saying I could be a salesman.

Chris Boise: 38:13

And for context. Okay, so most place saying I could be a salesman.

Susan Hickman: 38:19

And for context. Okay so Mosplace and I had a weird I'm going to put this Tell the story, so I'm putting this in the universe.

Chris Boise: 38:21

So Mosplace and I I played Mosplace for a long time and I was a weekday band for them. I played on Thursdays a lot and I always was trying to beg for a Friday and Saturday because I thought I thought I was good enough. I thought my band was good enough and I I had a relationship with Mo. Mo knew my wife like there was just a lot there.

Chris Boise: 38:43

And so at some point I don't remember at some point things got sideways because he asked for a promo picture and there was a picture of me at the Rustic downtown which has this big Rustic in lights right and you couldn't see the whole name but you could tell that it was the Rustic. And so I gave him this promo picture and he went to his son, moe Jr, and said well, why is the Rustic logo in there? And they went to me and I said it's just half. I said it's just half. I said it's just a great picture. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. And so we changed the promo out. I played that show and then I got ghosted for about three years oh man.

Chris Boise: 39:27

So COVID happens, 2020 happens, and there was a private event and I was being salty at the moment but pretty much they were having a private event in 2020 and a friend of I don't remember who it was, but a friend, somebody we knew, was playing there and I said it must be nice to get a call from Mo on their Facebook page, which was stupid.

Susan Hickman: 39:46

Oh, no it was really dumb.

Chris Boise: 39:48

It was really dumb, I was salty and so and so then it really then it really kind of kicked off. And so about four years later, five years later, I go in and I corner Mo and Mo Jr and I said you know what? I was the bigger person. I said you know what? I owe you guys an apology. I was young, I had an ego and I'm really sorry that I put that out there. And I said, if you'll have me, I would love to come back. And they said, oh yeah, we'll think about it. And then they just never called me. So if Mo sees this, if Mo and Mo Jr see this, please know that I am incredibly sorry for the stupid shit that I said when I was 27.

Chris Boise: 40:27

I'm 39 now, by the way, but really I'm so proud of you for playing most plays because it really is such a massive place, even still for Katie For sure. All the greats have played that stage. I've played that stage one time and it really is. There is something about that place that is really pretty magical. And I was salty and I showed my butt and I apologize for that. I try to be a better human than that these days. I really do so for context. That's my story about Mo's place.

Susan Hickman: 40:56

But you know what, sometimes getting that out into the ether and you never know who's going to see it and hear it.

Chris Boise: 41:03

You never know. I might get a call, you never know.

Susan Hickman: 41:06

We love you.

Chris Boise: 41:06

We really do.

Susan Hickman: 41:10

I mean it is a really special place. But I do appreciate the fact that he didn't just tell me no, you little peon of a newbie go away. And what was even more special about that is that the first time that I ever came and I played there, he remembered he was reciting to me what was actually like what I recall happening and I was like, wow, that was actually like what I recall happening. And I was like, wow, that's actually really pretty special.

Chris Boise: 41:39

So that leads me to this question for you.

Susan Hickman: 41:42

Yes.

Chris Boise: 41:43

And, moving on from most plays, give me two your most favorite venue that you've ever played, ooh, okay, and then your most favorite Coco's on the canal. And then your most favorite show you've ever played, oh Okay, and then your most favorite Coco's on the canal.

Susan Hickman: 41:58

And then your most favorite show you've ever played oh man, they can be the same or they can be different.

Chris Boise: 42:04

So let's start with venue. What's your most favorite venue that you've ever played?

Susan Hickman: 42:09

This is really hard, because I can't.

Chris Boise: 42:12

See, I came prepared.

Susan Hickman: 42:14

See, I did not, See, I did not. I was the one supposed to be asking all the questions.

Chris Boise: 42:21

Okay, so here's what I'll do. I'll say mine.

Susan Hickman: 42:23

Okay, yeah, so I'll say mine.

Chris Boise: 42:24

Okay, so I mentioned and I kind of teased, that I'm in the tribute world. I do.

Susan Hickman: 42:29

Oh yes, Tell them about this.

Chris Boise: 42:30

Please don't laugh. You can laugh at me, I don't care.

Susan Hickman: 42:32

Hey, you know what? He's actually a really good dude, okay. I have more to say, but what he's going to say.

Chris Boise: 42:39

So three years ago, the universe put it in my life that I was to do a Luke Bryan tribute. Okay, my mom had something to do with it. A lot of people told me that I should, and so I ran with it. Okay, there is like you either love Luke Bryan or you hate Luke Bryan. I get it. I totally get it.

Chris Boise: 42:58

In all of this, what happens is that we scrounge up some money, we have a promo video shot and then I get a message from somebody named Paul Wenzel who's in Chicago, illinois, and he runs what's called the Icons of Country Music. What this is is it's a tribute show where there's three tribute artists in one night Same band but three different artists. So he like and tell me, you know exactly where I'm going here. But have you ever had those people that like? They either message you on Facebook or they'll come to a show and they're like I can do something for you. No-transcript. It's his Toby Keith tribute, I think. So it's called man of America. It really is fantastic, Anyway. So he's the lead singer of that and he's also the manager of the Icons of Country Music. So he sends me a message and he says hey. He says you know, this is what I'm doing. I saw your Luke Bryan promo. I'd like to talk to you. And I said, okay, you know, like again we've seen these people. They never come through. So we schedule a call. He ends up calling me. We have this conversation. He's like I have two shows right now. I'll pay for your flight, your hotel, your car. And I'm like what does it pay? And he told me what it paid. I was like, oh okay. So I was like I need to, I need to go through my wife here. So I go and have a conversation with my wife. We kind of talked through it. And she goes okay, yeah, I mean, if it's real, do it. So I call him back and I said I'm, I'm good, like I want to try this. Within 20 minutes I had a hotel booked, I had a flight booked and I had a car booked. And in my email and I was like, holy crap, this is real, this is real. So, um, it was about two months until I fly up. I go up there, I play the shows, I meet the band, they have rehearsals and it was like the coolest people. For number one.

Chris Boise: 45:06

I did not realize in chicago, illinois, they were so starved for country music. They love it, they absolutely love it, I promise you it's. It's wild to me, but and so it's wild to me, and so it leads me to talk about my favorite venue that I've ever played. There was a theater in St Charles, illinois, called the Arcata Theater. This particular theater was built in 1915, and it was a vaudeville theater, and the thing about it is that in the 10s and 20s, there was only really about five or six vaudeville theaters across the country New York, san Francisco, dallas, chicago and, like Orlando or Tampa or something. There was literally six, and so the only way that these venues could promote the shows that were coming in and granted the vaudeville acts there were only a handful of them, maybe seven across the country. Okay, so the only way that they were able to get these shows out and promoed was by Pony Express. Think about that. Imagine promoing a Susan Hickman show only by Promo Express. It's wild, right.

Susan Hickman: 46:06

Isn't it crazy?

Chris Boise: 46:07

So it would be on every newspaper publication in that city. What Right? It's crazy. There's a picture inside the arcada of of of this theater with a line wrapped around, and this is probably 1920. I have no idea how they got the arrow maybe on top of another building, but there's a line wrapped around the building and obviously it looks very different now. But there's a line wrapped around the building and it's. They said that the picture was taken in january, so it's probably 10 degrees, that the picture was taken in January, so it's probably 10 degrees. Cool Right, oh, dude, I was there in February. When I landed it was three degrees. I'm not built for that at all.

Susan Hickman: 46:42

I'm not a cool person, not at all. Anyhow, not one bit.

Chris Boise: 46:46

So the Arcata Theater the first time I ever played it, it was a Jason Aldean, me as Luke Bryan and then a Kenny Chesney. This theater seats 850 people. We sold 833 tickets.

Susan Hickman: 47:00

That's amazing.

Chris Boise: 47:01

It was probably the best show of my whole career. There's a great picture. If you go to my website, there's a great picture of me singing to the crowd with the flashlights.

Chris Boise: 47:15

Every time I see that picture, it just reminds me of what the universe is capable of. I am just a kid from Houston, texas, that gets to go up to this place where, again, nobody knows me. It's the most humbling thing ever because after that show I hit my last note, I do my walk-off, the music ends, there's a 15-minute intermission and I come out and I literally was going to go out and say hi to my parents because they were there and there were two staircases and there was a line up the valley way into the atrium and they were literally standing there to come take pictures with me, to talk with me, to shake my hand. And this went on. I'm telling you, shake my hand. I'm telling you it was cool. It was such a humbling experience, it was my favorite.

Chris Boise: 47:58

The show and the venue are in the same for me because it was such a special defining moment in my music career. I'm singing somebody else's music, I'm doing something completely out of my comfort zone. Skinny jeans suck. It's not fun for me, but I love the show, I love the people and that was really the moment where I was like I freaking love this man. I love it, I really do. I love it, so that is my favorite venue and show wrapped up in one.

Susan Hickman: 48:31

I love that and that's pretty convenient that it's both I.

Chris Boise: 48:36

It didn't mean for it to be, but I mean, I think, my favorite show.

Susan Hickman: 48:41

So you said venue or show, right, I think my favorite show was. So I played this festival in a croupon france, so it's like southern france. Uh, it was a three day festival. It was me and just a ton of other Texas and some Nashville artists, like the Graskols, daryl Singletary before he passed away God rest his soul Robert Earl Keene, ray Wiley Hubbard, I mean just, it was a really fun time, but I played on the last day with Daryl Singletary. Like, I mean, just, it was a really fun time, but I played on the last day with Daryl Singletary. Well, I played, and then he played, I think, and I remember. So we're in France, right, and if you've ever tried to speak French, it's hard.

Chris Boise: 49:34

It's hard to speak. My dad speaks.

Susan Hickman: 49:35

French. It's hard to speak. It's hard, it's hard. My dad speaks french. It's hard to speak. It's hard to understand, like I'm I'm german and american indian, so like I can kind of understand some german and some swiss german and some of those things. Um, but french, no, I had absolutely no idea. Um, but we're playing our. We're playing our set, and it's mostly original music, which is great. Um, they're singing my songs. They're singing every word. It's like a chorus and I'm like where is this? What is happening right now? And um, this was in 2010, so I had just put out, um, I just put out my self-titled record, like maybe a year and a half, two years before then. And yeah, they're singing back to me in my songs and it's like my soul floated out of my body.

Speaker 3: 50:25

It's wild.

Susan Hickman: 50:25

And it was like are you seeing this? It was crazy, it was really crazy, and I mean obviously, like that was just an experience of itself, because we all, like, got to. You know, they rented out like a whole hotel for all of us, and so it was just like this three or four day, just amazing, like experience with all these artists and everybody it's.

Chris Boise: 50:49

It's almost unfair that we get to do this because, as I said earlier, for those that are not musical and don't have the ability to do that, there is something magical about what we get to do. The life is hard, like there's no doubt about it. This life that we do, even even on the scale that we are and granted she's, she's doing some bigger things than I am but the life that we live, I mean mean there's a lot of time gone from your home. If you have a family, you're gone from them, at least on weekends, and there's a wariness that comes with it where it's like sometimes you will literally be in your car. You'll be sitting outside of a venue thinking I don't want to do this. I promise you've done it. I've done it. Anybody who's ever done this has done this. Where you're just like I don't want to be here and then randomly, most likely on the same night that you were 100% out on whatever you're doing, you have one of the best nights of your life.

Chris Boise: 51:48

It never fails. Where somebody makes it interesting, the crowd is fun. It really never fails when I say it's magical to get up and do something like this either in South France or the Arcata Theater. Whatever the best drug that you've ever done, whatever that is, this beats that by a thousand times every single day.

Susan Hickman: 52:10

It does.

Chris Boise: 52:11

It does. There is no drug like it, I promise. Now, granted, I've never done drugs, so I don't know what that's like me either. I might I might reserve that for another time, but what I mean is is that it is such a blessing and an honor to have this God-given ability and thank my Lord Savior, jesus Christ, for this ability, because I can't see my life going any differently hindsight. 100% is 20 20 and the maturation of my life through music has made me a better person, it's made me a better husband, it's made me a better friend, it's made me just a better human overall, because I understand that not everybody gets this right to do this. They don't get the talent to do it and somehow God saw it fit to bestow this on me to do it. In whatever capacity that I get to do it in, I am thankful.

Susan Hickman: 52:58

Well, we're thankful you're still doing it. I'm thankful For sure.

Chris Boise: 53:04

Yes, I did Oof.

Susan Hickman: 53:12

Okay, we have some audience participation.

Chris Boise: 53:16

Well, this is about to get heavy.

Susan Hickman: 53:20

I have a song also that I want to talk about too, but you go do this, so go ahead and repeat the question, so everybody can hear what's going on.

Chris Boise: 53:32

So my mom is asking me about a song I wrote. Okay.

Susan Hickman: 53:40

Is this Answer the Call?

Chris Boise: 53:41

It is.

Susan Hickman: 53:42

Okay, that's the one I wanted to talk about. This is my favorite song, by the way. I'm so glad you like it.

Chris Boise: 53:48

So this next song is a song that I wrote and I'm just going to preface this with. The only time that this song gets played is when something bad happens or somebody's showing to somebody who's in this field. I'm sure everybody remembers back five, six years ago where our police were in the national spotlight right. There was a very negative spotlight on the law enforcement and LEOs and I didn't think it was quite fair. Obviously I'm not excusing the ones who really are bad apples. I will never excuse that. But I'd like to believe that 99.95% of those people in that field are doing right by the people they serve. So I'm sure you all remember the death of Deputy Goforth. It was a massive deal in Houston. If you don't, just a quick Google search will show you. He was at a gas station in Cypress, texas. He was merely getting gas. He was on his way home to his wife and kids and somebody just shot him right there in the parking lot. Not even didn't give two thoughts about his life. His family just shot him cold dead in a parking lot and I remember watching the funeral and them folding a flag and handing it to his son and his wife and at that moment.

Chris Boise: 55:25

It's funny how inspiration works, because whenever you write a song about something as heavy as that, people always think that you're trying to gain something from it. Right, I was not. I've always said, and I will always say, that if this song ever did anything and it gets shared, I could care less about the recognition. I don't care if you show this song to a police officer friend, you don't even say my name.

Chris Boise: 55:50

Do not care, because the point of this song was to paint the picture of what I thought a police officer's life probably looked like from a very young age to the end, and that there are people the majority of people love what they do and appreciate what they do, because it is an incredibly important job and one that really doesn't have a whole lot of thanks to it. So please bear with me. This song is hard. I did sing this at a police officer's funeral, which was one of the most incredibly hard things I've ever done in my life. Again, if you go look up this song, please share it with those who are in this profession. Let them know that we still care, that we still appreciate what they do. This song is called Answer the Call.

Speaker 3: 57:03

Little Jimmy Johnson lives at house 803, plays cops and robbers at Sycamore Street. He's got a badge on his heart, boots on his feet. He's got a six-gun shooter within his reach. He patrols the street on a red three-wheel on the lookout for crooks and thrills, serving his neighbors. A mailbox at a time.

Speaker 3: 57:45

Everybody knew his purpose in life. He answered the call to leave. He risked it all for you and me. He lays his life on the line. Yeah, we're blue for all his life. He's got a badge on his heart, a prayer on his breath, a burden on his shoulders and no regrets. He steps out into the great unknown With the faith that God will make it home. He answers the call to leave. He risks it all for you and me. He lives his life on the line. Yeah, he'll wear blue for all his life. He's got a badge on his heart and medals on his chest, a 21-gun salute as he's laid to rest. He answered the call on the lead. He gave it all for you and me. He gave his life on the line. Yeah, you were blue For all his life. Yeah, you were blue For all his life.

Chris Boise: 1:00:21

Thank you very much.

Susan Hickman: 1:00:22

Chris Boyes, everybody and stories like that is why I've wanted to do this for so long.

Chris Boise: 1:00:30

You know I love that song so much and I'm so proud of it, but I just hate that it just talks about something that was actually prevalent in our country, right, and it sucks that as a songwriter, a lot of times the things we write about are relevant events. You have to because it's relevant. The reason you listen to music is because it has relevance to your life in some sort of fashion. If you were into old country whether it was George Jones or any one of those crooners a lot of times they talked about real world things that you saw in relationships, right. Well, we do the same thing just now, modernly, and so this particular song. It's hard to explain because of that time and if you weren't paying attention you might have missed it, but it was such a thing that I felt, again, I didn't care about the recognition of it, it didn't need that.

Susan Hickman: 1:01:28

But it's not even about that. It's the fact that you were called to write something that was truthful and on your heart, and if somebody's gonna say that you capitalize on something, I mean that's and nobody's ever said I mean, let's be real, nobody's ever but we all have that we have that in our minds in the back of our minds. You know, we all have it because, as a creator, we always wonder, we if there's a, if there's somebody out there that haters are gonna to hate always.

Susan Hickman: 1:01:57

But the fact is, you did that truthfully from your heart, and we love you for it. Thank you. But we're actually going to take a very short little break here. For those of you who are listening, this is the end of our show, but not for y'all, because Chris is going to come back and do a couple more songs for everybody. But tell everybody where they can find you.

Chris Boise: 1:02:20

Yeah, so you can find me on, obviously, your social medias. Chris Boyce, b-o-i-s-e is how you spell my last name. I do have a website. It is chrisboycemusiccom. Please go look me up. I think part of this is I just moved down to this area in January. So if you've got a private party coming up, book Susan and I will come play. We'll come hang out, right.

Susan Hickman: 1:02:43

We'll sing some Savage Garden tunes.

Chris Boise: 1:02:45

We will sing, absolutely sing, some Savage Garden and, uh, you know, I, I just, I'm so appreciative. You guys listen to my stories and, and again, you't know me from anybody and I'm just, I'm thankful for the opportunity. Please go, follow me on social media. Please come back and see me if you see my name on a marquee somewhere. Susan Hickman, thank you so much for having me.

Susan Hickman: 1:03:03

Chris Boyes. Everybody Seriously, go follow him on all the things and thank you so much for being my very, very, very first guest and you'll definitely be back.

Chris Boise: 1:03:12

Thank you.

Susan Hickman: 1:03:12

Even if I have to go like hide behind a tree and bag you Like we joked about.

Speaker 3: 1:03:17

I'm going to get you.

Susan Hickman: 1:03:18

Anyway. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this is Hooked Stories and songs from Texas and beyond. We were visiting with Chris Boyce this evening and thanks again, thank you to Cocos on the Canal for being our lovely venue and lovely host for the evening.

Chris Boise: 1:03:34

And thank you very much to our live audience.

Susan Hickman: 1:03:36

Yes, thank you to our live audience. We love you guys. We're going to be doing this every single Tuesday right here at Coco's on the Canal, 7 pm. We'll see you next time, love you.